:SHOCK: RATM!

Jeff · Post by **Jeff** » 14 Feb 2007, 17:45

Uhh... so yeah, Rage sure got that war stopped, didn't they?

drusophila melanogaster · Post by **drusophila melanogaster** » 14 Feb 2007, 17:58

no
but if it weren't for them, no one would know about it
and cottage wouldn't have gone into advertising instead of political activism

PattonBordin · Post by **PattonBordin** » 14 Feb 2007, 18:19

Jeff";p="849520 wrote:
¹ººº¹¹¹º¹º¹";p="849502 wrote:
Jeff";p="849498 wrote:Wow, excellent counterpoint.
it wasnt a counterpoint u dimwit, it was a statement, i dont care 2 shits what u think of ratm
1. Would you have stated it if not for my post?
2. Do you know what a counterpoint is?

relax Jeff, i wasnt talking to you. just because your there, doesnt make it a counterpoint, just pretend you're on ignore, same thing

meatpan · Post by **meatpan** » 14 Feb 2007, 20:55

I like RATMs music. I don't care what the vocals are or what the message is. Zach could be talking about raping dogs for all I care.

Jeff · Post by **Jeff** » 15 Feb 2007, 01:46

¹ººº¹¹¹º¹º¹";p="849541 wrote:
Jeff";p="849520 wrote:
¹ººº¹¹¹º¹º¹";p="849502 wrote:
Jeff";p="849498 wrote:Wow, excellent counterpoint.
it wasnt a counterpoint u dimwit, it was a statement, i dont care 2 shits what u think of ratm
1. Would you have stated it if not for my post?
2. Do you know what a counterpoint is?
i wasnt talking to you

Backpedal.

PattonBordin · Post by **PattonBordin** » 15 Feb 2007, 02:51

i know how to use the quote button jeff

Cottage Wonder · Post by **Cottage Wonder** » 15 Feb 2007, 03:03

Jeff";p="849525 wrote:Uhh... so yeah, Rage sure got that war stopped, didn't they?

they've still accomplished more than you ever have/will

or don't";p="849532 wrote: no
but if it weren't for them, no one would know about it
and cottage wouldn't have gone into advertising instead of political activism

they've still accomplished more than you ever have/will

Jeff · Post by **Jeff** » 15 Feb 2007, 12:34

You must be using some special Canadian math where 0 > 0.

Rage has never accomplished anything outside of lining their own pockets.

Cottage Wonder · Post by **Cottage Wonder** » 15 Feb 2007, 14:12

drusophila melanogaster · Post by **drusophila melanogaster** » 15 Feb 2007, 14:33

Cottage Wonder";p="849579 wrote:
:lol: they've still accomplished more than you ever have/will

:lol: how do you know what i've accomplished in my life?
:lol:

Thunder Beer · Post by **Thunder Beer** » 15 Feb 2007, 14:53

Jeff";p="849629 wrote:You must be using some special Canadian math where 0 > 0.

Rage has never accomplished anything outside of lining their own pockets.

Wrong!

Their naked stunt stopped censorship, put an end to several wars, stopped AIDS from spreading, and saved a cat from being hit by a car:

@ RATM and their fans!

PattonBordin · Post by **PattonBordin** » 15 Feb 2007, 19:18

CHRIS CORNELL Talks AUDIOSLAVE Split, Nixes SOUNDGARDEN Reunion - Feb. 15, 2007
Chris Cornell spoke to MTV.com earlier this afternoon about his decision to leave AUDIOSLAVE after releasing three albums with the group. According to Cornell, he had been thinking about quitting since the band finished recording its last effort, "Revelations".

Additionally Cornell is permanently departing super-group AUDIOSLAVE stating, "Due to irresolvable personality conflicts as well as musical differences, I am permanently leaving the band AUDIOSLAVE. I wish the other three members nothing but the best in all of their future endeavors."

"It was clear to all of us we needed some time apart, and what that produces is anybody's guess," he told MTV.com. "In my case, it produced a very prolific writing period, and getting back into writing songs on my own, liking what that means — which is sort of a freedom and time to just experiment with music to a degree I kind of like more — and making records that have everything I like about music in them. AUDIOSLAVE was a very fresh collaboration because it was very much like a young band, where you all write together in a room. But my experience, in terms of songwriting and record-creating, is not like a 19-year-old guy in a rock band. For me to be satisfied, I think I need to be able to be on my own, in the long run."

When asked about SOUNDGARDEN possibly reuniting, Cornell said it was doubtful. "I haven't received any phone calls from anyone in SOUNDGARDEN about a reunion since we broke up, nor have I called anyone," he said. "We were happy with how it ended. There was no unfinished business. SOUNDGARDEN wasn't a band where we broke up and everyone was like, 'I'm never f---ing talking to you again.' It wasn't like that. We've all talked to each other many times since then. It's something we don't feel we need to do."

Jeff · Post by **Jeff** » 15 Feb 2007, 19:44

Thunder Bear";p="849661 wrote:
Jeff";p="849629 wrote:You must be using some special Canadian math where 0 > 0.

Rage has never accomplished anything outside of lining their own pockets.
Wrong!

Their naked stunt stopped censorship, put an end to several wars, stopped AIDS from spreading, and saved a cat from being hit by a car:

:lol: @ RATM and their fans!

They spelled "promo" wrong.

Mobiesque · Post by **Mobiesque** » 15 Feb 2007, 21:08

Oooh. I thought they spelled RATM really wrong.

drusophila melanogaster · Post by **drusophila melanogaster** » 15 Feb 2007, 21:15

tom morello proves the stereotype WRONG!
ok, 1 accomplishment

Jeff · Post by **Jeff** » 16 Feb 2007, 20:27

Funny this should pass by my Myspace today...

RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE ARE THE MACHINE
by Dr. Zoltan Øbelisk

Facts:

1.) Rage Against The Machine are on the same major label as Creed, Duran Duran, and Mandy Moore. They are products made of the earth's resources just like the rest of them. Click here to purchase a RATM cultural artifact printed on murdered trees, called "Evil Empire" at Wal-Mart: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product. ... id=1444101
2.) Rage Against The Machine is a pre-fabricated, pseudo-rebellious, corporate marketing scam, designed to capitalize on the deep psychological need for teenage rebellion. They are not political extremists and are simply incorporating images from outside sources. They do not blow anything up. They do not light themselves on fire. They do not place themselves in any danger. They are NOT rebels; they are merely 2-dimensional symbols of rebellion, as much as George W. Bush is a two-dimensional symbol of leadership. It's all for pretend.
3.) Zach De La Rocha's solo efforts were ineffective without simplistic, monophonic funk metal riffs backing it.
4.) Rage Against The Machine are nothing but actors, like Denzel Washington pretending to be Malcolm X for a movie.
5.) Rage Against The Machine are posable action figures on stage, donning costumes and theatrics and should not be taken any more seriously than the cartoon characters in Gwar. It's just for show.
6.) 3/4 of Rage Against The Machine stopped Raging Against The Machine for the past 6 years and released dumbed-down, mediocre, falling-asleep, aging top-40 radio rock music called Audioslave. They should have called the band, "Back To Our Comfy Dayjobs In A Cover Band."
7.) Rage Against The Machine, who claim to be leftists or socialists or anarchists or whatever trendy label you want to use, are reuniting for a one-time concert at Coachella and will be paid fees and royalties in the millions of dollars. Tickets for the event are $250 and have already sold out.
8.) Rage Against The Machine claim that this one reunion concert in the desert will destroy the Bush Administration.
9.) Rage Against The Machine, rather than going on stage naked at Lollapalooza and standing there with duct tape over their mouths and PMRC painted on their chests, should simply post their bank statements and Quickbooks files on their website for fans to download. I challenge you, RATM. Prove to your fans that you are NOT the machine that you pretend to rage against. Oops!
10.) Rage Against The Machine ARE The Machine.

Here is a very good article in The Onion, backing up these astounding facts:
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/33992

You are all doomed,

-Dr. Zoltan Øbelisk
http://www.myspace.com/drzoltan
http://www.drzoltan.com
drzoltan@drzoltan.com
http://www.youtube.com/drzoltan

Grotocult · Post by **Grotocult** » 16 Feb 2007, 20:43

Art can draw attention to issues in the world in ways that media like journalism can't.
You can't know how much RATM have influenced (or not) people's choices in their individual lives.
It is argued that the punk movement changed people's perceptions of the world: does this translate into actions? I don't see why it shouldn't.

Thunder Beer · Post by **Thunder Beer** » 16 Feb 2007, 20:46

or don't";p="849717 wrote:tom morello proves the stereotype WRONG!
ok, 1 accomplishment

drusophila melanogaster · Post by **drusophila melanogaster** » 16 Feb 2007, 21:01

erutlucorgga";p="849911 wrote:Art can draw attention to issues in the world in ways that media like journalism can't.
You can't know how much RATM have influenced (or not) people's choices in their individual lives.

we can know how they've influenced the people we've known who they supposedly influenced
i have yet to meet a single ratm fan who has had any other response to rage except to yell along with "fuck you i won't do what you tell me" and headbang along with some of their led zeppelin covers

if ratm can't even live up to their own supposed beliefs, why would expect the fans to?

Jeff · Post by **Jeff** » 16 Feb 2007, 22:03

erutlucorgga";p="849911 wrote:1. Art can draw attention to issues in the world in ways that media like journalism can't. You can't know how much RATM have influenced (or not) people's choices in their individual lives.
It is argued that the punk movement changed people's perceptions of the world: does this translate into actions? I don't see why it shouldn't.

I don't see why it should. All these flaccid arguments about how, well, they got people thinking about this and that and blah blah blah, we can't measure it, it's BULLSHIT. Rage peaked in popularity a decade ago, the vast bulk of their fans are in their mid to late 20s by now. And what has that generation EVER done? Other than watch the Daily Show, put "Buck Fush" bumper stickers on their cars, and not vote?

Even if you look at political bands that I LIKE, I don't give them credit for changing anything. Would the world look any different today if the Dead Kennedys or the Minutemen never existed? I seriously doubt it.

drusophila melanogaster · Post by **drusophila melanogaster** » 17 Feb 2007, 01:03

Jeff";p="849935 wrote:the vast bulk of their fans are in their mid to late 30s by now.

fixed

PattonBordin · Post by **PattonBordin** » 17 Feb 2007, 03:50

not i

Grotocult · Post by **Grotocult** » 19 Feb 2007, 15:53

Jeff";p="849935 wrote:Would the world look any different today if the Dead Kennedys or the Minutemen never existed? I seriously doubt it.

The point is that you can't know.
I seriously believe that punk did alter the way we see things.
I'm teaching parts of the Bible right now: the Bible is a book, one book, and whether or not it responded to or represented certain needs at the time (the Marxist view that culture more or less 'reflects' the economic conditions that underlie it) the way it changed the world and humanity's ways of relating to it are undeniably huge.

Jeff · Post by **Jeff** » 19 Feb 2007, 21:46

"The point is that you can't know"

Well then shut the fuck up.

Cottage Wonder · Post by **Cottage Wonder** » 19 Feb 2007, 23:09