Kill Bill

Hitman · Post by **Hitman** » 13 Aug 2006, 20:07

Are you kidding?

I want to buy a snake....
Maybe a hamster to go with it.
And have a little death match while I have my morning orange juice.

judasmuppet · Post by **judasmuppet** » 13 Aug 2006, 20:19

No I'm not kidding. Kill Bill was utter crap. No redeaming features (with the notable exception of the animated sequence). It just doesn't work. It's a less than mediocre homage to a multitude of different genres and movies therein.

Hitman · Post by **Hitman** » 13 Aug 2006, 20:33

To say it "just doesn't work" is ridiculous.
You not liking it does not take away from it's purpose.
I mean, you're basically contradicting yourself...

judasmuppet · Post by **judasmuppet** » 13 Aug 2006, 21:05

You're not making any sense. And you sound like a girl.

Hitman · Post by **Hitman** » 13 Aug 2006, 21:11

I like your little beard.

ReverseEngineer · Post by **ReverseEngineer** » 13 Aug 2006, 22:06

judasmuppet";p="783436 wrote:No I'm not kidding. Kill Bill was utter crap. No redeaming features (with the notable exception of the animated sequence). It just doesn't work. It's a less than mediocre homage to a multitude of different genres and movies therein.

if you look at it as simply homage and nothing more, you're bound to be let down
but if you look at it as telling its own story, and using the homage as a way to get its main point across, it works fairly well.

But you're the guy who hasn't seen the whole story, so that won't happen.

judasmuppet · Post by **judasmuppet** » 13 Aug 2006, 22:22

I gave this film plenty of time. I don't see how watching part II would improve my opinion of it. The homage angle is a major aspect of the film, but not the only thing I judged it on.

Other points we disagree on also include: direction and action. I.e. you think they were good, and I think they were atrocious.

So tell me then: what is this amazing point or purpose you two keep referring to?

Hitman · Post by **Hitman** » 13 Aug 2006, 22:24

He only saw Vol 1?
Ok...

judasmuppet · Post by **judasmuppet** » 13 Aug 2006, 22:26

Try to actually contribute something to the argument, Luis.

ReverseEngineer · Post by **ReverseEngineer** » 13 Aug 2006, 22:30

there's quite a lot of opinion in the film on the effects violence as entertainment has on children

Hitman · Post by **Hitman** » 13 Aug 2006, 22:41

judasmuppet";p="783480 wrote:Try to actually contribute something to the argument, Luis.

I'm not arguing.
You don't like it, I think it's great.

It's not like Tarantino is my brother or anything...

Mobiesque · Post by **Mobiesque** » 14 Aug 2006, 00:51

Style over substance is problematic in the best of hands. Visually, I thought it was pretty good (though obviously a blatant pasticcio) and the story was interesting enough to keep me watching, but thats about as far as it goes. Tarantino shits me more often than not these days.

Hitman · Post by **Hitman** » 14 Aug 2006, 00:56

The only film of his I wasn't head over heels for was Jackie Brown...

Mobiesque · Post by **Mobiesque** » 14 Aug 2006, 01:02

Ah, I liked that as I'm a whore for Elmore Leonard, and it was a pretty good adaptation.

Luuuuuuuuisss

Luiiiissss

Oh, and I just imdb'd him to remember what else he'd done..

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0808446/

Reservoir Dogs...THE GAME!

Hitman · Post by **Hitman** » 14 Aug 2006, 01:18

I also love Elmore Leonard, and generally liked the movie.
It's just not Tarantino enough for me, I guess.
I expected more...

That Luuuuuuisssssss bit is my fave part.
Of course, I've got a hard on for Bridget Fonda ever since then...

Hitman · Post by **Hitman** » 14 Aug 2006, 01:20

I just clicked that link, as I didn't know what you were getting at...a Reservoir Dogs Game? What the fuck??

ELMO · Post by **ELMO** » 14 Aug 2006, 16:56

This discussion has no bearing unless you have seen the "whole" movie Vol's I & II

I really didnt care for Vol. I on the first sitting, but I did like Vol. II, but as a whole I think both volumes should be viewed back to back to appreciate the movie

Hitman · Post by **Hitman** » 14 Aug 2006, 20:58

I totally agree.
I feel Vol II is the better half of the film...

judasmuppet · Post by **judasmuppet** » 14 Aug 2006, 21:14

Blah blah blah.

I wanted to turn Vol. I off after five minutes. I.e. shit film.

Eviltoastman · Post by **Eviltoastman** » 15 Aug 2006, 02:17

I could appreciate Kill Bill. Unlike most who can I am not ignorant of the source material, and unlike those who bear grudge for the reference/homage, I could live with it. It was no more an insult than Taxi Driver was to The Searchers or Paris Texxas was to Shane. I loved what Tarrantino does withhhis influence. It's not like he mimmicks to create the same pice of cinema. He adapts and adopts, seemlessly to weave an entirely new narrative, in fresh and innovative ways and brings us cinema which is usually steeped in humour (and not your family guy "laugh at the obvious references" humour either). Another thing I really enjoy about Kill Bill is the sheer campness of it all. Where post-war Japanese cinema is totally hilarious because of the way it takes itself too serious, Tarrantino takes the piss, and Jap cinema deserves to be taken down a peg or two.

I'm not saying I enjoyed Taxi Driver less than Kill Bill, because I still get a lot of satisfaction from Taxi Driver as I do Kill Bill, but I feel Taxi Driver has a stronger protagonsit one I can readily identify with from a director I find to be less forceful at directing the viewer's eye. The reference to the western in general and in particular that of The Searchers keeps the film fresh, keeps me thinking where Kill Bill is more of a popcorn film; louder, camper, funnier and more direct which is not a bad thing since Tarrantino has never claimed to make anything but direct popcorn cinema.

If you are looking for anything else from a Tarrantino film and then criticise him for that, then the film is certainly not the issue. If you despise tyhe film having not seen it having seen some of it but walking out because of factors such as say "strong references" to other films, well, that to is not a genuine issue with film, considering the fact that those stating this reason above also attest to loving Taxi Driver which copies The Searchers' narrative almost completely, where as Tarrantino does no such thing against one single film. Maybe this is a predjudice sourced from elsewhere then?

Kill Bill isn't great film, but it's far from crap and is extremely watchable. I found it quite satisfying, particularly the climax.

Hitman · Post by **Hitman** » 15 Aug 2006, 02:34

evilmugman";p="784127 wrote: Kill Bill is more of a popcorn film; louder, camper, funnier and more direct which is not a bad thing since Tarrantino has never claimed to make anything but direct popcorn cinema.

If you are looking for anything else from a Tarrantino film and then criticise him for that, then the film is certainly not the issue.

My thoughts exactly...

evilmugman";p="784127 wrote:
Kill Bill isn't great film, but it's far from crap and is extremely watchable. I found it quite satisfying, particularly the climax.

Eviltoastman · Post by **Eviltoastman** » 15 Aug 2006, 02:38

I'd like to add that although Taxi Driver is a great film, I know at least in my opinion it is not the zenith of film.

Hitman · Post by **Hitman** » 15 Aug 2006, 03:19

Very far from it...

Eviltoastman · Post by **Eviltoastman** » 15 Aug 2006, 03:22

That honour belongs to Young Guns II.

Hitman · Post by **Hitman** » 15 Aug 2006, 03:29

The first one is a classic though...