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Try and grab a copy of the Carling Cup match against Man City when Zokora was sent off really early on. Berbatov ran his absolute arse off for the whole game that day. One of the most stunning lone striker performances I've seen.
He simply refused to allow Tottenham's best chance of qualifying for Europe this season go down the toilet. I really do hope he stays. He should be our next Spurs legend. We haven't had one since Teddy.
He simply refused to allow Tottenham's best chance of qualifying for Europe this season go down the toilet. I really do hope he stays. He should be our next Spurs legend. We haven't had one since Teddy.
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Certainly not. He scored more goals in the Prem in 2007 than anyone else, Ronaldo included. He's already got his name penciled in.
Berbatov has been very good this season, that's why I used an example of him playing well this season. I wasn't able to watch much of last due to no access to cable telly. I'm not going to bother arguing with you anymore on this, though.
Berbatov has been very good this season, that's why I used an example of him playing well this season. I wasn't able to watch much of last due to no access to cable telly. I'm not going to bother arguing with you anymore on this, though.
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Good. Because you're absolutely fucking wrong.
...and this doesn't tell the whole story, it makes the lazy fucker look good. Henry last season had a great goals to game ratio (Berb's is .39 and Keane's is .59 btw) of .63 per game - the best he ever enjoyed, yet when he was playing, he was absolutely crap. Berbatov and Spurs are a Macrocosm our Henry situation last year. It's a dichotomy but it's true, a top scorer can still be a detriment to a side, even when he's firing. Look at Nistelrooy and Manu and Del Piero and Milan as other examples. Berbatov will not recoup what was spent and Manu are unlikely to sign a player with such an unprofessional attitude, regardless of his obvious ability. Now those 8 goals that Berb has scored, I have no doubt in my mind that that would be 15 if he played with heart and spine and not just made the occasional cameo. Berbatov has the potential to play every game to a far higher plateau than Keane is capable of, but Keane's work ethic means that as a player he performs far better, which is a shame. Berbatov is ripping Spurs off. Taking his pay and dreaming of his escape - doing just enough to keep people off his back. If I was a Spurs fan I'd appreciate Keane a little more. He's by far one of the greatest servants the clubs has had in recent years and when Berbatov fucks off to whoever is stupid enough to sign him next year, Keane will be there with a consistent g/g ratio, passionate performances all while Spurs fans look at the horizon for their "Henry".
Carling Cup? I think given your precarious position, all effort should be used to acquire some prem league points. A spurs fans commented earlier this week that they're just nine points from a CL spot and that he felt it was a realistic goal. I'd like to remind Spurs fans that this may be true but you're only 6 from relegation. The Berb discussion is a side issue and the truth is that no one would really be on Berb's back if you had a defence, but that's football and it's a fact that Berbatov simply is not pulling his weight. His heart is elsewhere.
...and this doesn't tell the whole story, it makes the lazy fucker look good. Henry last season had a great goals to game ratio (Berb's is .39 and Keane's is .59 btw) of .63 per game - the best he ever enjoyed, yet when he was playing, he was absolutely crap. Berbatov and Spurs are a Macrocosm our Henry situation last year. It's a dichotomy but it's true, a top scorer can still be a detriment to a side, even when he's firing. Look at Nistelrooy and Manu and Del Piero and Milan as other examples. Berbatov will not recoup what was spent and Manu are unlikely to sign a player with such an unprofessional attitude, regardless of his obvious ability. Now those 8 goals that Berb has scored, I have no doubt in my mind that that would be 15 if he played with heart and spine and not just made the occasional cameo. Berbatov has the potential to play every game to a far higher plateau than Keane is capable of, but Keane's work ethic means that as a player he performs far better, which is a shame. Berbatov is ripping Spurs off. Taking his pay and dreaming of his escape - doing just enough to keep people off his back. If I was a Spurs fan I'd appreciate Keane a little more. He's by far one of the greatest servants the clubs has had in recent years and when Berbatov fucks off to whoever is stupid enough to sign him next year, Keane will be there with a consistent g/g ratio, passionate performances all while Spurs fans look at the horizon for their "Henry".
Carling Cup? I think given your precarious position, all effort should be used to acquire some prem league points. A spurs fans commented earlier this week that they're just nine points from a CL spot and that he felt it was a realistic goal. I'd like to remind Spurs fans that this may be true but you're only 6 from relegation. The Berb discussion is a side issue and the truth is that no one would really be on Berb's back if you had a defence, but that's football and it's a fact that Berbatov simply is not pulling his weight. His heart is elsewhere.
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As I explained he's in no way the same player he was last season and as previously stated, if he put the effort in that he did last he'd have a much more impressive tally for both goals and assists, as it stands he's short changing Spurs. Berbatov play with no heart he has now become a cameo rather than the main attraction. Instead of just looking at the numbers, actually watch him.
He's a fantastic player when he shows up. Keane shows up for every game.
I'm not the minority in this opinion either:
It was as if he had done his work against Reading, issued the come and get me message and was now happy to sit back and wait for his agent to do some business. - John Giles, The Independent 04.01.08
Berbatov can go missing as much as he can take centre-stage. - Jimmy Greaves on why Berbatov should be sold, the Sun 05.01.08
The Bulgarian international has shown patchy form for Spurs this season and supporters have questioned whether he is thinking of a move. - Politely put by the Marc isaacs of the Telegraph 04.01.08
Berbatov's lack of commitment is on the mindsof every football journalist and pundit at the moment. The thoughts of most Spurs fans on BBC forums, Telegraph and other have been very much in kind with the thinking about Berb this season. I have no idea what games you've been watching? I take it it was just the Reading match from the opinion presented.
My point was long because it held relative fact and opinion, not just a sound bite which amounts to "No I'm not. You are".
He's a fantastic player when he shows up. Keane shows up for every game.
I'm not the minority in this opinion either:
It was as if he had done his work against Reading, issued the come and get me message and was now happy to sit back and wait for his agent to do some business. - John Giles, The Independent 04.01.08
Berbatov can go missing as much as he can take centre-stage. - Jimmy Greaves on why Berbatov should be sold, the Sun 05.01.08
The Bulgarian international has shown patchy form for Spurs this season and supporters have questioned whether he is thinking of a move. - Politely put by the Marc isaacs of the Telegraph 04.01.08
Berbatov's lack of commitment is on the mindsof every football journalist and pundit at the moment. The thoughts of most Spurs fans on BBC forums, Telegraph and other have been very much in kind with the thinking about Berb this season. I have no idea what games you've been watching? I take it it was just the Reading match from the opinion presented.
My point was long because it held relative fact and opinion, not just a sound bite which amounts to "No I'm not. You are".
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I said the whole of 2007. That includes last season. 19 goals in 31 matches. One better than Ronaldo. I've watched every Spurs game this season, and Berbatov hasn't seemed bad to me. Just because he doesn't show happy little body language doesn't concern me. I'd probably be quite similar if I played.
Bomb this thread. It's pretty pathetic.
Bomb this thread. It's pretty pathetic.
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Agreed. However,
Incorrect. You can spin the argument anyway you wish, but I think you're wrong, because it seems to me that you are speculating on Berbatov's motives just as the rest of the press that you feel the need to reference, while Berbatov has had the dignity not to pay it any heed, and keeps either putting the ball in the net or setting up everyone else.Eviltoastman";p="933270 wrote:My point was long because it held relative fact and opinion, not just a sound bite which amounts to "No I'm not. You are".
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I didn't say he wasn't scoring or assisting. You're very selective about what you respond to. I said he's scoring and I've agreed he's a talented player - what I'm stating (read boy) is that he doesn't turn up most of the time and his heart is elsewhere and only plays on what appears to be personal whim, which IS[/s] having a negative effect on the team, especially when he HAS asked for a transfer many, many times only to be told no. The only thing is, Berbatov has not stated this in words to the press, instead he shows it through his lacklustre efforts on the pitch. As many have stated, he is only showing glimpses of his talent in what appears to be a 'hey guys, sign me, look what I can do if I choose to play' scenario. I referenced as you attempted to marginalise and dismiss my opinion as rubbish as you still do without a firm rebuttal other than that tired only 45rpm spin around stating the same short jack russel-esque yap "No, you're wrong' and nothing more substantial that that.
Again I ask. If he played with the effort, drive and backbone that he did last season, without the frustration he feels for not being sold to a proper club in the summer wouldn't his goal tally be higher? Wouldn't his assist record be even better? Wouldn't his teams position due to defensive frailties be lessoned by the sheer fact that Spurs actually played some matches with eleven men instead of ten men and a invertebrate? Berbatov has played at least half of his games this season as a virtual passenger.
Again I ask. If he played with the effort, drive and backbone that he did last season, without the frustration he feels for not being sold to a proper club in the summer wouldn't his goal tally be higher? Wouldn't his assist record be even better? Wouldn't his teams position due to defensive frailties be lessoned by the sheer fact that Spurs actually played some matches with eleven men instead of ten men and a invertebrate? Berbatov has played at least half of his games this season as a virtual passenger.
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