:SHOCK: RATM!

GoatOvaries · Post by **GoatOvaries** » 11 Apr 2007, 21:54

Jeff";p="851585 wrote:
Nicolae Carpathia";p="850936 wrote:

In your own words. "Defeated".

GoatOvaries · Post by **GoatOvaries** » 11 Apr 2007, 22:02

Roark · Post by **Roark** » 11 Apr 2007, 23:18

My $0.02:

It's undeniable that RATM have increased social awareness of certain issues, regardless of whether you think they're "sell-outs" in a comercial sense. Some, including me, would argue that the independent platform isn't terribly conducive to broadcasting your message on the widest scale possible.

Isn't increasing social awareness the first step for ANY social issues campaigning?

They made lots of money. Meh to that. They sing about what they're interested in. Some of you guys are just plain bitter... and some of you just don't sell as many records as RATM.

Rah.

Cottage Wonder · Post by **Cottage Wonder** » 12 Apr 2007, 01:15

drusophila melanogaster · Post by **drusophila melanogaster** » 12 Apr 2007, 01:32

Space Mongoloids!!!";p="863625 wrote: It's undeniable that RATM have increased social awareness of certain issues, regardless of whether you think they're "sell-outs" in a comercial sense.

which issues?

Roark · Post by **Roark** » 12 Apr 2007, 02:19

Democratic reform, child care, aid for farmers, pro-choice agendas, Amnesty International and human rights in general, integrity in the press...

The social issues they choose to support / voice an opinion about are actually quite diverse...

Mary Hinge · Post by **Mary Hinge** » 12 Apr 2007, 04:15

...don't forget Zach's cool hairdo

drusophila melanogaster · Post by **drusophila melanogaster** » 12 Apr 2007, 05:45

Space Mongoloids!!!";p="863702 wrote:Democratic reform, child care, aid for farmers, pro-choice agendas, Amnesty International and human rights in general, integrity in the press...

The social issues they choose to support / voice an opinion about are actually quite diverse...

you're right
they really changed the usa

Mobiesque · Post by **Mobiesque** » 12 Apr 2007, 06:00

I'd say for the most part, and this is entirely based on anecdotal evidence, sure the kids know what Amnesty International and War and Corporations are now...but does it go beyond the catch phrase?

Fuck. In high school every kid with an RATM patch on their bag thought they were a political activist, but didn't know shit other than "uh, its leik bad and stuff".

I will lose no sleep if they never play again.

Jeff · Post by **Jeff** » 12 Apr 2007, 13:47

Space Mongoloids!!!";p="863702 wrote:Democratic reform, child care, aid for farmers, pro-choice agendas, Amnesty International and human rights in general, integrity in the press...

The social issues they choose to support / voice an opinion about are actually quite diverse...

Uhhh... what song was that? Was it the one where Zach says "fuck"?

Jeff · Post by **Jeff** » 12 Apr 2007, 13:49

Mobiesque";p="863731 wrote:I'd say for the most part, and this is entirely based on anecdotal evidence, sure the kids know what Amnesty International and War and Corporations are now...but does it go beyond the catch phrase?

Fuck. In high school every kid with an RATM patch on their bag thought they were a political activist, but didn't know shit other than "uh, its leik bad and stuff".

I will lose no sleep if they never play again.

psychological methods to sell
should be destroyed

judasmuppet · Post by **judasmuppet** » 12 Apr 2007, 16:42

This thread should just be a poll about who does and doesn't like RATM, because that's all I'm hearing.

Cottage Wonder · Post by **Cottage Wonder** » 12 Apr 2007, 18:04

or don't";p="863729 wrote:
Space Mongoloids!!!";p="863702 wrote:Democratic reform, child care, aid for farmers, pro-choice agendas, Amnesty International and human rights in general, integrity in the press...

The social issues they choose to support / voice an opinion about are actually quite diverse...
you're right
they really changed the usa

they've changed it more than you ever will

GoatOvaries · Post by **GoatOvaries** » 12 Apr 2007, 19:18

Jeff";p="863858 wrote:
Space Mongoloids!!!";p="863702 wrote:Democratic reform, child care, aid for farmers, pro-choice agendas, Amnesty International and human rights in general, integrity in the press...

The social issues they choose to support / voice an opinion about are actually quite diverse...

Uhhh... what song was that? Was it the one where Zach says "fuck"?

I don't like RATM, but you are fucking retarded.

Roark · Post by **Roark** » 12 Apr 2007, 20:27

Jeff";p="863858 wrote: Uhhh... what song was that? Was it the one where Zach says "fuck"?

or don't";p="863729 wrote:
you're right
they really changed the usa

I see that you two are still frequent users of the Straw Man Argument.

As I actually said, they've increased awareness of these issues (and more) through their campaigning. Additionally, they've raised money for these causes through touring and other public appearances.

Does actual funding count as making some kind of difference, or are you guys gonna stick with the good ole "dig the heals in and argue logical fallacies" strategy?

Later.

Liingus · Post by **Liingus** » 12 Apr 2007, 20:45

*golf clap*

excellent notion

Busta · Post by **Busta** » 12 Apr 2007, 21:37

Well played, Roark.

uncooked meat · Post by **uncooked meat** » 12 Apr 2007, 21:56

Marvellous shot, that.

Roark · Post by **Roark** » 12 Apr 2007, 22:07

Thank you, my loyal flunkeys.

*victory lap*

Roark · Post by **Roark** » 12 Apr 2007, 22:08

I don't even like RATM. I just miss arguing with people, yknow... since Clayton got really stupid.

GoatOvaries · Post by **GoatOvaries** » 12 Apr 2007, 22:32

Space Mongoloids!!!";p="863983 wrote:I don't even like RATM. I just miss arguing with people, yknow... since Clayton got really stupid.

I never was, and never will be stupid. You just fail to understand.

Mike McCready · Post by **Mike McCready** » 13 Apr 2007, 07:47

GoatOvaries";p="863948 wrote:
Jeff";p="863858 wrote: Uhhh... what song was that? Was it the one where Zach says "fuck"?
I don't like RATM, but you are fucking retarded.

I actually agree with this jerk-off for once.

Hank · Post by **Hank** » 13 Apr 2007, 08:06

That's super.

Mike McCready · Post by **Mike McCready** » 13 Apr 2007, 09:08

HankMcCain";p="864087 wrote:That's super.

You're a gay prick.

Jeff · Post by **Jeff** » 18 Apr 2007, 01:28

Space Mongoloids!!!";p="863954 wrote:
Jeff";p="863858 wrote: Uhhh... what song was that? Was it the one where Zach says "fuck"?

or don't";p="863729 wrote:
you're right
they really changed the usa
I see that you two are still frequent users of the Straw Man Argument.

As I actually said, they've increased awareness of these issues (and more) through their campaigning. Additionally, they've raised money for these causes through touring and other public appearances.

Does actual funding count as making some kind of difference, or are you guys gonna stick with the good ole "dig the heals in and argue logical fallacies" strategy?

;-)

Later.

As I've actually been saying, I'm actually quite convinced they have not raised any awareness. This is based on my interaction with Rage fans, as well as the fact that the public isn't aware of shit.

I don't know what money they've raised for charities but I'll bet my left testicle it's a pretty miniscule piece of the pie compared to what they've raised for themselves and their corporate backing. The fact that they did this (apparently) doesn't make me respect them or take them any more seriously. They still suck and they're still full of shit regarding their supposed goals and ideals.